AMBER Archive (2004)

Subject: Re: AMBER: AMBER 6 compilation problems!

From: Grace Li (w24li_at_student.cs.uwaterloo.ca)
Date: Fri Jul 30 2004 - 15:42:03 CDT


Hey Carlos,

Ok, that makes sense. Thanks for the suggestion.

Grace

On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, Carlos Simmerling wrote:

> Grace,
> it would be fine to continue- after all, if you stop a simulation and
> restart it (due to queue limits, etc), it changes the trajectory as much
> or more than switching to another computer type (due to the limited
> precision
> in the restart file).
> Carlos
>
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>
> Grace Li wrote:
>
> >Hi Ross,
> >
> >Thanks again for your explanation. I understand this aspect of differences
> >due to rounding differences, but do you think it would be ok to continue
> >sampling on my P4 cluster after already running 10 ns on the super
> >computer? Would this cause inconsistency in errors in my experiment?
> >
> >Grace
> >
> >
> >On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, Ross Walker wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >>Dear Grace,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>supercomputer. I noticed that after 900 NSTEPs the results starts to
> >>>differ as follows:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>Deviations in MD simulations between different architectures is perfectly
> >>normal. Especially with parallel runs. What happens is you get rounding
> >>differences that propagate over time and give you different (but equally as
> >>valid) trajectories. Typically in order to see if things are running
> >>correctly we only compare the first 10 or 20 steps of a simulation. The SGI
> >>architecture is also very different to a P4's architecture, one is 64 bit
> >>the other 32 bit for example, and so the rounding differences between the
> >>two machines will be more acute than if they were based on more similar
> >>hardware.
> >>
> >>Note, though, if you run the same simulation a 100 times on the SAME machine
> >>you should see identical trajectories. If you don't then something is very
> >>wrong.
> >>
> >>All the best
> >>Ross
> >>
> >>/\
> >>\/
> >>|\oss Walker
> >>
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> >>
> >>
> >>
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